NamVet Newsletter, Volume 7 Number 1, November 12, 1994



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                      T A B L E   O F   C O N T E N T S

     
     1.  From US to YOU
          Short ... but meaningful .................................  1
          Happy Birthday NamVet!!! .................................  2
          The President's Veterans' Day Proclamation ...............  3
          Copyright Notice .........................................  5

     2.   Keep on keeping on!
          Yahrzeit '88 .............................................  6
          Maggie ...................................................  9
          The Silent Warrior ....................................... 12
          Murphy's list continues to grow! ......................... 13
          Sermon from Mount Dong Quang ............................. 15

     3.  Heart to heart...
          Honoring Vietnam's Hidden Casualties ..................... 16
          I was there just last night .............................. 18
          eterans Day at The Wall .................................. 21
          Family Ties .............................................. 24
          Let YOUR Congressperson KNOW!!!! ......................... 26

     4.  Let my people go!
          MIA/POWs.  Does anyone REALLY care? ...................... 27
          Does one person's effort REALLY count? ................... 29
          They haven't forgotten US!!! ............................. 31
          How will the Vietnam war end? ............................ 32
          US Government Cover-up Exposed ........................... 35
          Vietnam Casualty Inscribed on Wall ....................... 36
          Remember? ................................................ 37

     5.  The NamVet Chapel
          Proper Perspective!! ..................................... 38
          The Electronic Chapel .................................... 39

     6.  Prepared ... but not
          OH, How Far It's Come .................................... 40
          Imprisoned Vietnam vets have voice ....................... 42
          A visit or note once in awhile? .......................... 45
          Common Sense? ............................................ 46
          Incarcerated Veterans .................................... 47
          Vietnam Veterans ......................................... 49

     7.  Don't eat or drink!
          Veterans and Agent Orange ................................ 55
          Break out the Clearasil ! ............................ 70

     8.  Veteran commo from Uncle Sam and ...
          DVA & Women Veterans Health Programs ..................... 71
          VWMP's Sister Search ..................................... 75
          VWMP's Sister Search Form ................................ 76
          VWMP Products for 1994 ................................... 77

     9.  Bits n' Pieces
          Vets Bits       .......................................... 78
          Been there ... done that! ................................ 81
          Babykillers, that's what we were called .................. 82
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     10.  VETLink BBS Spotlight
          Traumatized Vet Helps Others Via Computer ................ 83

     11.  Eternal Vigilance ...
          NamVet/IVVEC Service Department! ......................... 86
          Treat Our Flag Right ..................................... 87
          Our Flag - Part 2 ........................................ 88
          Our Flag - Part 3 ........................................ 89

     12.  IVVEC Phonebook/Information
          IVVEC Phonebook .......................................... 90
          Happy Birthday NamVet!!! ................................. 99
          Some Gave All... ......................................... 100

































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                         Short ... but meaningful
                              By Gjoseph Peck
                         NamVet's Managing Editor
                          VETLink #1 - Tampa, FL
                              (813) 249-8323
     
     Patty calls kitten-now-cat Piglet;  I call her Squirt.   If you've 
     been following our NamVet's for a time,  you'll recognize the name 
     "LZ English" - the name given a kitten by one of the characters in 
     a past editorial;  the kitten who,  in a sense,  brought to one of 
     our near-fictionalized Nam vet the realization that Life _does_ go 
     on  and we _must_  "keep on keeping on"  when it would be kind  of 
     "safe"  to  just  stay  right where we  are,  doing  things  we're 
     familiar  with.   She's sitting on top of the  monitor,  carefully 
     watchin'  my  fingers fly across the keyboard and making SURE  I'm 
     doing  things as near right as I can (I haven't taught her how  to 
     spell-check  yet though ).  Kind of looks like she  _knows_ 
     that this, our 7th Annual NamVet, won't be done until my editorial 
     is finally finished.  
     
     "Please  don't  take  all  night again,"  I can  almost  hear  her 
     thinking  as her bright beady eyes stare at me,  ears perking when 
     the keyboard slows.  "Please don't take all night again... there's 
     lots of veterans out there in cyberspace that are waiting for this 
     to get done..." 
     
     I  thought  I had a critic on my shoulder BEFORE   ...   THIS  one 
     stares at me until my job is done! 
     
     Click ... click ... click ...
     
     "  ....  the  ultimate  tragedy  in life  is  not  failure.    The  
     ultimate tragedy is to be unwilling to take risks when significant 
     purposes present themselves!"  
     
     Without  further ado,  I present to you our Seventh Annual edition 
     of  NamVet  ...   and  sincerely  thank  all  of  those  who  have 
     contributed to it,  who have read it,  who eagerly look forward to 
     the next issue coming off the electronic presses.
     
     Thank you ALL for giving SPECIAL meaning to MY life ...
     
        
                              'til next time
                     Show a brother or sister veteran
                             that YOU care!!!
     
     
                                  -= Joe
     





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                         HAPPY BIRTHDAY NAM_VET!!!!
     
     
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     G. Joseph Peck  *  John Mendes *  Jerry Hindle *  Ray Moreau * Doc
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     Clay Tannacore  *  Jim Hildwine *  Lefty Frizzell *  Alex Humphrey
     Craig Roberts *  Ray Walker * Bill Plude * Jim Ferguson * Bil Cook
     
     Ed Brant *  Mike Harris *  Glenn Toothman * Carl Dunn * Don Purvis
     Fred Sochacki   *  Sarge Hultgren  *  George Currie  * Rick Bowman
     Doug McArthur *  Sam Thompson *  Marsha Ledeman * David Nieuwouldt
     George Fallon  *  Bob Douglas  * Ken Knowlton  *  R.J. Christenson
     
     Martin Kroll *  Glen Kepler * Terry Hayes * Lydia Fish * Jim Ennes
     Karen Winnett   *  Scott Summers  *  Ralph Carlson  *  Joe Meadors
     Mike Kelley  *  Chick Curry  *  Charles Harper  *  David Kirshbaum
     George Winters  * Bob Smith  *  Aulton White * James Nerlinger Jr.
     
     Gordon Giroux * Rod Germain  * Todd Looney  * Bac Si * Pete Farias
     Brad Meyers * Max Green *  Marge Clark * Ann Murrell * John Sakers
     Bob Morris * Gale Barrows *  Joe Roske * Ralph Feller * Jack Moore
     Geoffery Setser *  James Capelle  *  Rick McMahon *  Chris Pollack
     
     Richard Morrow  *  Henry Elsworth  * Jesse Kitson  *  Jim Henthorn
     Art Fellner  *  Harlow Campbell  *  Rick Kelley  *  Mike Readinger
     Richard Wolbaum  *  Walt Fletcher  *  Mike Halley  *  Gary Searles
     Larry Kerr *  Patti Porter * Wade Fallin * Lance Cooper * Jim Fine
     
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     Arthur Caby * Ron Allen *  David Coleman *  Dave Smith * Dan Nance
     
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     Jeff Patterson  * Eddie Shoe  * Van Hoyle * Russ Terry * Bob Smith
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                 >>>>>>> and all the rest of us!!!! <<<<<<<
     
                             Our *-SEVENTH-* Year
     
                           " Service with Pride! "
     
              The International Newsletter for Vietnam Veterans
     

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                The President's Veterans' Day Proclamation
                           Provided by Jeff Beer
                      VETLink #50 - Fairfield Bay, AR
                              (501) 884-6277
     
     
                              THE WHITE HOUSE
     
                       Office of the Press Secretary
     
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          For Immediate Release                  October 27, 1994
     
                               VETERANS DAY, 1994
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             BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
     
                              A PROCLAMATION
     
        Each year, we set aside November 11 to honor the men and women 
     who have served in our Nation's Armed Forces.  Their stories are 
     not only of past glory and current sacrifice; their lasting 
     contributions are to our future as well.  Their deeds and 
     dedication assure us and the generations to come that America's 
     great promise of freedom and happiness will endure and flourish.
     
        Fifty years ago on this day, American forces of World War II 
     were pushing the enemy back across the European continent, 
     liberating hundreds of thousands along the way.  These heroic 
     Americans fought to win the peace, not just for themselves and for 
     their Nation, but for oppressed millions in many lands.
     
        The world has changed tremendously since then.  Today, the 
     international role of the United States has evolved from 
     peacemaker to peacekeeper.  And still we call upon our Armed 
     Forces to serve our Nation and to defend the cause of freedom 
     everywhere.  Our men and women in uniform understand that the 
     ideals of democracy and self-determination are larger than any 
     single nation.  The blood of Americans spilled on battlefields 
     from Normandy to Korea to Vietnam and the vigilant defense of 
     freedom throughout the Cold War have taught us a lasting lesson: 
     America can only rest secure when every individual knows liberty 
     and all nations live at peace.
     
        It is an extraordinary person who is willing to step in harm's 
     way to protect others.  Our Nation has always been blessed with an 
     abundance of such men and women.  We owe our veterans an 
     inestimable debt of gratitude.  On this day, we recognize how much 
     they have done, and are doing, to make a better, safer tomorrow 
     for all of us.
     
        In order that we may pay due tribute to those who have served 
     in our Armed Forces, the Congress has provided (5 U.S.C. 6103 (a)) 
     that November 11 of each year shall be set aside as a legal public 
     holiday to honor America's veterans.
     
        NOW, THEREFORE, I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United 
     States of America, do hereby proclaim Friday, November 11, 1994, 
     
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     as "Veterans Day."  I urge all Americans to honor the resolution 
     and commitment of our veterans through appropriate public 
     ceremonies and private prayers.  I call upon Federal, State, and 
     local government officials to display the flag of the United 
     States and to encourage and participate in patriotic activities in 
     their communities.  I invite civic and fraternal organizations, 
     places of worship, schools, businesses, unions, and the media to 
     support this national observance with suitable commemorative 
     expressions and programs.
      
        IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-
     seventh day of October, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred 
     and ninety-four, and of the Independence of the United States of 
     America the two hundred and nineteenth.
     
     
                            WILLIAM J. CLINTON
     









































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                     Yahrzeit '88
                     Submitted Anonymously
     
        My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
          My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
        Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
          One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:
                       - John Keats "Ode to a Nightingale"
     
     She put them up in a brass and stained oak frame.  Against the
     white satin background they didn't appear so ominous, and didn't
     supply a hint as to the way in which they are awarded.  A pretty
     color, like that on the robes of royalty; pure and deep with
     majestic allusion.  On a weekly basis, she polished the frame,
     keeping the brass as bright as a ray of morning sunlight.  The
     glass was so spotless that it was possible to see quite clearly
     ones own reflection.  She picked a conspicuous spot for them,
     and fastened them to the wall in the hallway.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     But I didn't look at them.  I didn't want to see the morbid days
     and endless nights that caused their arrival.  I didn't want to
     face the face that won these prizes through violent means.  But
     she kept polishing the brass and glass, commenting "They are
     precious metals" to those who asked about them.  And they hung
     there on the wall, passed each time a step was taken in the
     hall.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     Each week she would clean them, and the evening sun would cast a
     reflected light ray to the end of the hall.  Each week she would
     polish them with a tenderness as if they were children to be
     held.  She never said a word about them, but it was easy to tell
     she was extremely curious about their origins.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     Any appeal to remove them was met with stern disapproval.  She
     wanted something to remind her of what had happened, even if she
     didn't know exactly what that was.  She never pried, but held me
     gently on the nights I would wake up soaked in sweat and tears.
     She never complained, and never wanted out; instead she would
     shed tears for my fears, and cry for my sorrows.  And every
     week, she would clean and polish them, until like a beacon they
     shone.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     The sleepless nights faded into the past, the weeks melted into
     months, and the months passed into years.  And each week she
     would polish them, not voicing a bit of curiosity.  She
     understood the pain, because it was evident in her eyes each
     morning after a dream of return had come.  Her soft touch and
     
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     wavering voice exposed the silent melancholy her heart felt and
     she tried so hard to hide.  And each week, she returned to them,
     polishing them brightly.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     The tenderness, style and beauty was taken from her in an
     instant she never realized.  I never had a chance to explain to
     her the prize was one of immense sorrow.  She would polish them
     as if they were the most important thing in our existence.  She
     held them as tenderly as she had held me on the occasions that
     it was needed.  She understood that the key to my welfare was
     locked in that frame of brass and oak, and the only way to
     release the demons was to face the face in the reflected glass.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     Her funeral was a complete shock.  The realization of death I
     thought had died many years ago.  Death was something benign,
     something that didn't affect me anymore.  Yet here she was, the
     Joy, Beauty and Truth of my life, lying in grassy solitude.  She
     was no longer there to polish the brass and oak frame, so the
     dust and tarnish collected, dimming the Light they reflected in
     the past.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     What the war couldn't accomplish, I thought pills could.  G-d
     it's such a hard life! The pills: they can fix everything.  If I
     take enough of them....  And like a memory hidden by time, the
     brass greened and the oak cracked.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     Waking up in the hospital, I was told death had been a breath
     away.  My first reaction was anger for failing, then anger for
     trying, and finally settled into weeks of self imposed
     isolation, purging the pent up feelings in emotional
     self-abasement.  The questions came faster than I could possibly
     answer, and I closed myself off even further.  Ignoring all life
     around me.
     
     And so they hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     I got home with the feeling she had deserted me; leaving me in
     not so silent agony.  The first thing I noticed was they were
     polished, bright as any day she had cleaned them.  I asked who
     polished them, and everyone said they didn't know.  I took them
     off the wall, excused myself and went into my private chambers.
     For the first time I was able to look at them since they were
     hung around my neck by the powers that warranted their action.
     For the first time I was able to look at the face that won them,
     and realize that it was a face of an ordinary man, and not a
     maniacal killer.  I held them and finally the tears came.  The
     tears that would begin to wash away the stench of guilt and
     sorrow of the years past.  The tears that would finally release
     me from the unbearable torments of my dreams.  As I moved to
     wipe the fallen tears from the polished glass, I looked and saw
     her face, as clearly as she was sitting there with me.  She was
     
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     smiling a smile of extreme serenity, and lipped the words
     "Welcome home.  I love you." And just as suddenly, she was gone.
     I knew then who returned the lustre to them.
     
     And they no longer hung there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     I took the medals and wrapped them in a bedsheet and boxed them
     up.  The box was taken to a family storage place, where they
     will be safe and cool.  The brass and oak frame that she
     polished so persistently will be safe from corrosion and decay
     until I decide to take them out again.  But for now, they have
     served their purpose.  The Marines gave them to me for my
     conduct.  My wife gave them to me for my sanity.
     
     And they no longer hang there, waiting.  Waiting.
     
     15 years ago I finished my SEA tour.  10 years ago my wife died,
     taking that beautiful smile and that full life with her.  With
     this, the tenth anniversary of her death, I would like to let
     the world know that she was with me when all others had given up
     hope, and loved me when I didn't seem to love her back.  So my
     continuing love for her I express poorly in these words:
     
     You were all of life to me.  Yet when I thought that you had
     abandoned me in death, you still managed to pull me through
     life.  You gave me back that burning desire for life I had lost.
     Even as you could support me in life, you saved me in death.  I
     cannot offer anything other than the troth I pledged before, to
     reaffirm before G-d and man to love you for all eternity.
     
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                              Maggie
                        By Michael McCombs
                      VETLink #1 - Tampa, FL
                         (813) 249-8323
     
     LTC  Martha  Raye.  Helluva lady.  Hell of  a  woman,  period.  Only 
     stateside  entertainer  to ever come to our compound in  Kontum.  No 
     troupe, no lights, no microphones,  no nothin'  fancy.  Just Maggie. 
     And that's the way it's best.
     
     None of the others even tried. Not that we would've have let 'em in, 
     of course. The compound was sealed from pryin'  civilians,  and most 
     military,  for that matter.  Which was good,  'cause we never had to 
     look over our shoulders to see if Dan Rather was writin' it all down 
     to  be  corrupted  on  the six o'clock news.  But it  did  have  the 
     downside of never seein' a round-eyed woman without makin' the trek. 
     Well, I guess nothin's perfect.
     
     But Maggie came. She had a standin' invite. Didn't even have to mail 
     it  to her.  We were there,  the guys in the funny green hats.  That 
     meant she was welcome. Don't know how old that was,  but it had been 
     a fact of bein' SF since Training Group. Maggie was one of us.   You 
     learned  it along with the club handshake upon receipt of the  magic 
     decoder  ring.  And it was just about as fundamental as which end of 
     your rifle pointed down range. I found out why in Kontum.
     
     The  excitement amongst the older generation (over twenty-five)  was 
     dynamic that mornin'. Everybody was runnin' around gettin' haircuts, 
     clean  uniforms,  brushin'  their teeth,  and checkin'  their  booze 
     supply. I asked, and they would just grunt, "Maggie."  Like maybe it 
     was some kinda magic formula or somethin'.  Oh, I knew the name, but
     damn man, this was bizarre behavior.  So I did it too.  Sarge didn't
     raise no dummies, and I can sense a gale blowin' as well as the next 
     guy.  Hell,  I  even helped clean the Recon Club -  an awesome task, 
     flatly turned down by the maids. Whaddahell, might as well get in on 
     this. Never met any celebrities before, anyhow.  She'd been in a lot 
     of those old movies I'd watched as a kid. 
     
     She arrived on a chopper from Pleiku around mid-afternoon.  A couple 
     of  the  E-8's went out and got her in a jeep and brought  her  back 
     through  the  gates.  Little  woman,  not too much bigger  than  the 
     'yards. Hair permed to death, wrinkles everywhere,  and a smile that 
     could  stop an incomin'  122 and make it purr.  God,  the smile went 
     from ear to ear and back again,  and it dropped twenty years off her 
     like a shot. And she wasn't tidy with it, she spread it all over the 
     place. Had one for everyone of us,  with plenty left for the 'yards, 
     ARVN, everybody. Sheee****t! This was okay, man.
     
     She  got outta the jeep in front of Recon company HQ,  threw off her 
     baseball cap, and out came the beret. 
     
     She  put  it on,  smiled even wider,  and said,  "I need  a  f*ckin' 
     drink!" 
     
     Damn straight.  It didn't strike me as incongruous,  then. I mean we
     all talked like that,  too.  I wouldn't catch on to that until I got 
     home  and  had  a  series of folk explain to  me  it  wasn't  proper 
     English.  Whadahell!  Somebody got her a drink.
     
     
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     Then it was off for a tour of the compound.  She'd been here before, 
     that  was  obvious.  What was amazin'  was that she  remembered  the 
     place.  She  wanted to see this and that,  and she knew all the  old 
     names,  all  the  teams and who'd been on 'em.  She also  remembered 
     every name given to her. First time, every time.  
     
     "Maggie, this is Mike McCombs from RT California."
     
     "Glad to meet ya, Mike, didya know Joe?"
     
     "Damn straight, met me off the plane."
     
     "Good man,  Joe,  saw him in Hollywood a couple weeks back.  You the 
     one he called Sweet Thing?"
     
     Shee****t! What kinda memory banks this lady got, anyhoo?
     
     She  stops  and  talks to everybody.  The 'yards  haven't  seen  any 
     American  women  in a while,  and are dazzled by this one  with  the 
     silver  leafs  and the big mouth.  She gets more bracelets than  the 
     rest of us put together.  Later,  Weet will smile at me and say that 
     he  now understands why alla men come to Nam.  I only smacked him  a 
     little. And at every stop she drinks. And she stays sober. Now, I've 
     got good capacity, but this is awe inspirin'.  And it's still before 
     dinner.
     
     Dinner  she eats one night with us and one night in the O-club.  She 
     admits  she  does have to do it cause of the rank.  But she  doesn't 
     spend a lot of time with 'em, she wants to be with the guys who hump 
     the  boonies.  Good taste.  She don't mind the officers that do that 
     humpin',  it's  the staffies she don't like.  After dinner,  she bar 
     hops.
     
     Its  odd  about this camp.  We have maybe 100  Americans,  and  five 
     clubs. We all bar hop to an extent, spread the wealth around. But we 
     all  have  our favorites,  too.  Mostly it's the regular  clientele. 
     Recon  or Covey or old NCO or Officer or Mike.  Maggie hits 'em all. 
     She  concentrates  on  Recon and Mike.  Again,  'cause we  hump  the 
     boonies.  Lord  only  knows  what she does when she goes  to  non-SF 
     joints.  But that ain't my problem.  The first night she holds forth 
     mostly in Mike. The second night, she's mostly in my AO. There ain't 
     no third night. She's got a schedule, and she has to get back to her 
     troupe and still make stops elsewhere. But that second night....
     
     The  war wasn't put on hold.  Teams still came and went,  the  guard 
     changed,  life went on.  But Maggie managed to lace her way into the 
     fabric  of  it.  She'd stop in with a team and help pack  chow.  She 
     filled  sandbags,  she  helped a team off the pad with their  rucks, 
     bringin'  cool  ones,  she watched us go to the range,  played pool, 
     walked the berm, visited Rosie's. Sh*t, she was everywhere. Ate with 
     the guys, and always had a kind word, a good story,  and news of the 
     other  sites the few remainin'  green weenies were hangin'  at.  She 
     never  said  a  monologue  or stood on a  stage.  but  she  did  her 
     entertainin' job to the max. Sh*t, she didn't bring a piece of home, 
     she brought herself, and gave remorselessly. 
     
     That second night I spent three hours drinkin' and talkin'  with her 
     in  the  Recon  Club.  Nothin'  special 'bout me,  just I  was  from 
     Southern Cal., too,  and we had lots to talk about.  Others came and 
     
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     went,  but  we stayed.  I don't remember Viet Nam that night.  don't 
     think I was there. I think we were down on the Sunset Strip, and the 
     band  was  playin',  and the folks were dancin',  and it was a  good 
     date. She left,  that third morning,  the way she came.  We stood on 
     the  berm and waved as she flew away.  Then we did a collective sigh 
     and went back to war. 
     
     I saw her again in '72, after I came home for the divorce.  She kept 
     a  safehouse  in  Hollywood for us.  I was at loose  ends,  no  home 
     anymore, and she took me in. She couldn't stay;  off to Thailand,  I 
     think. But I was welcome to stay. I did for a week,  and then I went 
     off to Ft. Devens and 10th Group.
     
     One last time, I saw her. At Arlington, in D.C. A funeral for an old 
     SGM who dived into a pea patch in Thailand. She was there,  in dress 
     greens, Corcorans, beret and all. For a friend.  She pulled me aside 
     and asked if it was true that his 'chute was fine and he just hadn't 
     pulled.  I just pointed at the man's wife and kids,  and she nodded. 
     She went over to 'em, afterwards, and said TheWords.   Helluva lady. 
     I think she knew she'd heard right.
     
     After  the funeral,  she and I once more held forth at a local club, 
     the  NCO club on North Post,  just outside the cemetery.  The others 
     came  by,  and I somehow ended up delegated escort.  Don't know how. 
     Maybe  it  was the way she said "Sweet Thing,"  maybe not.  A  young 
     Spec.  4  came  over and begged her to come to the Acey-Deucy  club, 
     'cause  they never got celebrities.  And we went.  I got her back to 
     her hotel around 2:30,  and I don't remember how the hell I got back 
     home. I'll bet she didn't even have a hangover....
     
     That's about it. That's the Maggie I knew.  I guess she recently got 
     married  to some young dude in Hollywood.  She's no  sprin'  chicken 
     anymore. Hope it works out.
     
     Just a quick word for ya, dude. You'd better treat Maggie right. You 
     don't  and  your  ass is grass.  And I know a couple  thousand  lawn 
     mowers, all of 'em ugly as me....
     
     
     
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                            THE SILENT WARRIOR
                           By: Karen A. Winnett
                  S.I.R.E.N. IS CALLING - Sacramento, CA
                              (916) 971-0589
     
     The fire fights have ended and the big guns no longer roar
     but the Silent Warrior's fighting like he's never fought before!
     No point man walks before him and no man takes the rear,
     no comrade stands beside him though death is always near!
       He humps no hills or valleys and he sweats no jungle heat.
       He stalks no Vils or cities, yet has no road to retreat.
       His field pack long abandoned and his rifle gone to rust,
       The Silent Warrior battles, because, he has no choice, he must!
     It's a long range operation, the objective long and hard,
     to the Valley of the Shadow, where only Angels are.
     The Silent Warrior battles, where no soul should have to go,
     and no heart can ever reach him, for his battlefield's unknown!
     
     Don't look to the north or south, don't look west or east, look
      to home and know the truth, this is where the warrior bleeds!
     His campaigns rage in silence, and he battles here at home,
     his courage goes unnoticed and his valor, few have known!
       Behold the Silent Warrior, lost deep within his thoughts,
       his body frozen solid, never never to unlock!
       What enemy could do this, what hearts could be so cold,
       to do him such dishonor, a brother of our own!
     I look into unseeing eyes and I wonder where he is,
     and damn the souls who were taught to care, yet did a thing like
                                   this!
     Behold this valiant warrior, who never more shall speak,
     curled up in a fetal ball on antiseptic sheets!
     
     His arms and legs contracted, his body old and frail
     his honor stripped away and lost where love should not have
                                   failed!
     Look gently on this old one, who battles day and night,
     and let every warrior cry for him, until Valhalla's in his sights.
     
     For such are the forgotten, not dead yet not alive,
     doing battle on the Veterans wards beyond uncaring eyes!
     
     Behold the Silent Warrior, who's stillness screams with rage,
     who wars in fields of solitude, and there, til death, he stays!
       I have touched the Silent Warrior, and learned to know his pain,
       I have fed and I have bathed him, and cried when no one came!
       I have reached down to his anger and held his ruined hands,
       and I felt the battle raging, and I cursed, "God damn!"
     Behold the Silent Warrior, who battles until death,
     honor him and know his face, stand guard beside his bed.
     For such are the forgotten, some lost and some abused,
     victims of a friendly fire we never can undo.
     
     Yes, the Fire fights have ended, and the big guns no longer roar,
     but the Silent Warriors fighting like he never fought before!
     Go to him, and  speak his name, and understand the truth,
     don't let him die behind the lines, the next warrior could be you!
     


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                     Murphy's list continues to grow!
                                 Anonymous
     
     A special THANKS to Dave Doehrman and Khe Sanh Vets Newsletter; 
     Springfield, MA VVA Chapter 111; Lt. Col Jack Finch USA (Ret.) and 
     members of the VIETNAM_VETS International Echo for helping us keep  
     Murphy's list growing!  Okay... now all we need is to have our 
     Desert Shield/Desert Storm folks let us know how Murphy treated 
     them?  How's about it, folks?
     
       - An Incomplete List of Murphy's Laws of Combat Operations -
          
     1.  Military intelligence can be a contradiction in terms.
     2.  Recoilless rifles - aren't.
     3.  A sucking chest wound is nature's way of telling you to slow
          down.
     4.  The enemy diversion you are ignoring is the main attack.
     5.  If the enemy is within range, then so are you.
     6.  Friendly fire - isn't.
     7.  If it's stupid and works, then it ain't stupid.
     8.  When you have secured an area, don't forget to tell the enemy.
     9.  If you're short of everything except the enemy, then you're in 
          the combat zone.
     10. Try to look unimportant.  They may be low on ammo.
     11. The easy way is always mined.
     12. Tracers work both ways.
     13. Sh*t happens.
     14. Incoming fire has the right of way.
     15. Teamwork is essential. It gives them other people to shoot at.
     16. Never draw fire - it irritates everyone around you.
     17. No combat ready unit has ever passed an inspection.
     18. No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat.
     19. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get 
          out.
     20. If both sides are convinced they're about to lose, they're 
          both right.
     21. Professionals are predictable, but the world is full of
          dangerous amateurs.
     22. Fortify your front and you'll get your rear shot up.
     23. When in doubt, empty your magazine.
     24. In war, important things are very simple and all simple things 
          are hard.
     25. Don't look conspicuous, it draws fire.
     26. Communications will fail as soon as you need fire support.
     27. Weather ain't neutral.
     28. Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you.
     29. Remember, your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
     30. If you can't remember, the claymore is pointed towards you.
     31. All five second grenade fuses are three seconds.
     32. The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is
          incoming friendly.
     33. If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
     34. No OPLAN survives first contact intact.
     35. If it flies, it dies.
     36. When you are forward of your position, the artillery will
          always be short.
     37. Suppressive fire - won't.
     38. You are not Superman.
     39. Cavalry doesn't always come to the rescue.
     
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     40. B-52's are the ultimate in close air support.
     41. Sniper's motto: Reach out and touch someone.
     42. Peace is our profession - mass murder's just a hobby.
     43. Killing for peace is like whoring for virginity.
     44. There's always a way.
     45. Murphy was a grunt.
     46. It's not the one with your name on it - it's the round
          addressed "to whom it may concern" ya gotta think about.
     47. Remember napalm is an area weapon.
     48. Mines are equal opportunity weapons.
     50. There is no such thing as the perfect plan.
     51. The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions:
         a. when you are ready for them.
         b. when you are not ready for them.
     52. Anything you do can get you shot, including nothing.
     53. Marine math: 2 beers times 39 Marines is 49 cases.
     54. Body Count Math: 2 VC plus 1 chicken and 3 pigs equals 37
          enemy killed in action.
     55. Things that must be together to work, can't be carried in the 
          field that way.
     56. If you take more than your share of objectives, you will be 
          given more than your share of objectives to take.
     




































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                        SERMON FROM MOUNT DONG QUANG
                        (as re-told by Mike Dealey)
     
     MATTHEW five-five:
          "Blessed are the meek, for they shall not be selected
                           for night patrol."
     
     MATTHEW five-six:
          "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after
            righteousness, for they shall fly B-52s."
     
     MATTHEW five-seven:
          "Blessed are the merciful, for it gives you time to
                       grease the suckers."
     
     MATTHEW five-eight:
          "Blessed are the pure in heart, for it shall be they who
                    clean the sh_tters every day."
     
     MATTHEW five-niner:
          "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called
                children of God and score beaucoup acid."
     
          [This was neatly handwritten on what appeared to be a
           mimeographed copy.  Circa 1969, I'd judge.  Author(s)
           unknown.]
     
































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     ==================================================================
                              Heart to heart...
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                   We Honor The Hidden Casualties of War
                               By Al Santoli
                  The Tampa Tribune/Tampa Times 10/23/94
                    "Heads Up" By Judee & Jerry Strott
                        VETLink #1 BBS - Tampa, FL
                              (813) 249-8323
     
     With  58,191  names inscribed on its black  granite,  the  Vietnam 
     Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., is one of the nation's most 
     hallowed monuments to its war dead.
     
     Yet not all of the victims of that war died in battle.   Some have 
     died -- or are still dying -- of exposure to herbicides like Agent 
     Orange,  of  post-traumatic  stress  disorders and of  other  war-
     related  conditions.   Now  a  way has been found to  honor  these 
     hidden casualties of war.
     
     Last year, the Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, a private 
     organization, launched a program called In Memory.   It recognizes 
     these "lost veterans" by displaying their names on a special honor 
     roll at the memorial site.
     
     "The  deaths  of those veterans,"  said Mary  Meyer,  the  program 
     coordinator,   "are   no  less  tragic  than  casualties  on   the 
     battlefields of Southeast Asia.  The lack of tribute for these men 
     and  women has been especially painful for their loved  ones.   We 
     hope  that  public recognition will be a healing process  to  help 
     families find closure with the suffering they have endured."
     
     New inductees,  nominated by their families,  will be added to the 
     list  at  public ceremonies every Memorial Day and  Veterans  Day.  
     All services are provided free.
     
     Susie  McDowell,  43,  a mother of two teenage girls,  said at the 
     ceremonies  held  last  Memorial  Day:   "Recognition  here  gives 
     meaning to all that my husband went through."
     
     Her husband of 17 years, Donald "Mac" McDowell -  a former mailman 
     in Moorhead, Minn --  was awarded a Purple Heart for combat wounds 
     suffered in Vietnam with the 101st Airborne Division.   Exposed to 
     Agent  Orange,  he  died  in  1993 after  a  15-year  battle  with 
     lymphoma.
     
     One of his most cherished wishes was that his name be inscribed on 
     the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.   "Mac's best friend,  Dave Holsen, 
     tried  every  way possible to get his name inscribed,"  said  Mrs. 
     McDowell,  "but  we found that the memorial excludes most veterans 
     who died following their return home."
     
     After  nearly giving up hope,  Holsen learned about the In  Memory 
     program.   As a result,  Mac was among the first group of veterans 
     honored at the program's inaugural ceremony.
     
     Each In Memory veteran is represented by a certificate and family-
     donated  mementos that are ceremonially placed at the base of  the 
     
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     memorial  wall.   Afterward,   the  materials  are  collected  and 
     archived  by  the National Park Service as part of the  memorial's 
     permanent historical record.  In addition, the Friends maintain an 
     information  booth  at the memorial's entrance,  where a  leather-
     bound In Memory album is available to the public 24 hours a day.
     
     At the Friends' office in Arlington, VA.,  the executive director, 
     Ira  Hamburg,  said the program was initiated because of the  high 
     number  of  post-Vietnam casualties.   Veterans organizations  say 
     that several thousand Americans involved in the fighting have died 
     from war-related wounds, cancers from herbicide exposure, suicides 
     linked to post-traumatic stress disorders and other causes.
     
     One name added recently was that of the author Lewis Puller,  Jr., 
     who  died by his own hand following years of painful disabilities.  
     He was the son of Lt. Gen. Lew "Chesty" Puller, the most decorated 
     Marine in the history of the corps.
     
     The   program's  coordinators  emphasize  that  helping  surviving 
     families to heal is a foremost concern.  In addition,  the program 
     includes  a  tribute  to civilians who were killed in  Vietnam  -- 
     diplomatic   employees,   advisers,   Red  Cross  volunteers   and 
     journalists  --  whose  names  are not eligible to appear  on  the 
     Vietnam  Veterans Memorial.   A referral service to link  veterans 
     with In Memory families is being organized.
     
     Wanda  Ruffin,  the  Friends'  coordinator  of  volunteers,  is  a 
     registered  nurse and a grief counselor.   Her husband,  James,  a 
     naval aviator,  was killed in the war.   "The families have shared 
     their loved one's suffering for many years," she said.  "They have 
     been  directly  affected by his nightmares and by his physical  or 
     emotional pain.   It's very important for them to know that others 
     share their experience,  that they are not alone.   There is value 
     in honoring the veteran they loved.  It's not just the loss that's 
     remembered, but the value of his life."
     
     At the memorial site in Washington, D.D., Susie McDowell reflected 
     on  coming  to terms with her husband's sacrifice and finding  the 
     strength  to  share  with others.   "So many  families  have  felt 
     alone," she said.   "Our husbands'  being recognized here is truly 
     healing for those who loved them."
     
     "Mac  never begrudged the war,"  she added.   "I don't know if  he 
     wanted to be there.  He was drafted.  But, in the end,  he's being 
     recognized  for  his  service and for his 15  years  of  suffering 
     afterward.  Without people like him,  we wouldn't have the freedom 
     that we enjoy in this country today."
     
     ---
     FOR  MORE INFORMATION or an application form to honor a loved one, 
     contact:  In  Memory,  Friends  of the Vietnam Veterans  Memorial, 
     Dept.  P,  Suite  106,  Box  108,   4200  Wisconsin  Ave.,   N.W., 
     Washington, D.C.  20016
     





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                        I Was There Just Last Night
                              by Robert Clark
                    Issue Nine - 1994 * The High Ground
                   P O Box 457 - Neillsville, WI  54456
     
     A  couple  of years ago someone asked me if I still thought  about 
     Vietnam.   I  nearly  laughed  in their face.   How  do  you  stop 
     thinking  about it?   Every day for the last twenty-four years,  I 
     wake up with it, and go to bed with it.   But this is what I said.  
     "Yea, I think about it.  I can't quit thinking about it.   I never 
     will.   But,  I've also learned to live with it.   I'm comfortable 
     with  the  memories.   I've learned to stop trying to  forget  and 
     learned instead to embrace it.  It just doesn't scare me anymore."
     
     A  psychologist  once  tome  me that NOT  being  affected  by  the 
     experience over there would be abnormal.  When he told me that, it 
     was like he'd just given me a pardon.   It was as if he said,  "Go 
     ahead  and feel something about the place,  Bob.   It ain't  going 
     nowhere.   You're gonna wear it for the rest of your life.   Might 
     as well get to know it."
     
     A  log  of  my "brothers"  haven't been so lucky.   For  them  the 
     memories  are  too painful,  their sense of loss  too  great.   My 
     sister  told me of a friend she has whose husband was in the  Nam.  
     She asks this guy when he was there.   Here's what he said,  "Just 
     last night."   It took my sister a while to figure out what he was 
     talking about.   JUST LAST NIGHT.   Yeah I was in the Nam.   When?  
     JUST LAST NIGHT.  During sex with my wife.   And on my way to work 
     this morning.  Over my lunch hour.  Yeah, I was there.
     
     My sister says I'm not the same brother that went to Vietnam.   My 
     wife  says  I  won't let people get close to  me,  not  even  her.  
     They're probably both right.
     
     Ask  a  vet  about making friends in Nam.   It  was  risky.   Why?  
     Because  we were in the business of death,  and death was with  us 
     all the time.   It wasn't the death of,  "If I die before I wake."  
     This  was  the real thing.   The kind where boys scream for  their 
     mothers.  The kind that lingers in your mind and becomes more real 
     each  time you cheat it.   You don't want ot make a lot of friends 
     when the possibility of dying is that real, that close.   When you 
     do, friends become a liability.
     
     A guy named Bob Flanigan was my friend.  Bob Flanigan is dead.   I 
     put him in a body bag one sunny day,  April 29,  1969.   We'd been 
     talking, only a few minutes before he was shot, about what we were 
     going  to do when we got back in the world.   Now,  this was a guy 
     who  had come in country the same time as myself.   A guy who  was 
     loveable  and  generous.   He had blue eyes and sandy blond  hair.  
     When he talked, it was with a soft drawl.  Flanigan was a hick and 
     he knew it.  That was part of his charm.  He didn't care.  Man,  I 
     loved this guy like the brother I never had. But, I screwed up.  I 
     got  too  close to him.   Maybe I didn't know any better.   But  I 
     broke  one  of  the unwritten rules of war.   DON'T GET  CLOSE  TO 
     PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DIE.  Sometimes you can't help it.
     
     You  hear vets use the term "buddy"  when they refer to a guy they 
     spent the war with.   "Me an this buddy a mine .  .  ."   "Friend" 
     sounds  too intimate,  doesn't it.   "Friend"  calls up images  of 
     
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     being close.   If he's a friend,  then you are going to be hurt if 
     he  dies,  and war hurts enough without adding to the  pain.   Get 
     close; get hurt.  It's as simple as that.
     
     In  war  you learn to keep people at that distance my  wife  talks 
     about.  You become so good at it,  that twenty years after the war 
     is  over,  you  still  do it without thinking.   You  won't  allow 
     yourself to be vulnerable again.
     
     My  wife  knows two people who can get into the soft spots  inside 
     me.   My daughters.   I know it probably bothers her that they can 
     do this.  It's not that I don't love my wife, I do.   She's put up 
     with  a lot from me.   She'll tell you that when she signed on for 
     better  or worse she had no idea there was going to be so much  of 
     the latter.  But with my daughters it's different.
     
     My girls are mine.  They'll always be my kids.  Not marriage,  not 
     distance,  not even death can change that.   They are something on 
     this  earth  that can never be taken away from me.   I  belong  to 
     them.   Nothing  can change that.   I can have an ex-wife;  but my 
     girls can never have an ex-father.  There's the difference.
     
     I  can still see the faces,  though they all seem to have the same 
     eyes.   When  I think of us I always see a line of "dirty  grunts" 
     sitting  on a paddy dike.   We're caught in that first gray silver 
     between darkness and light.   That first moment when we know we've 
     survived another night,  and the business of staying alive for one 
     more day is about to begin.   There was so much hope in that brief 
     space  of time.   It's what we used to pray for.   "One more  day, 
     God. One more day."
     
     And  I  can  hear our conversations as if they'd  only  just  been 
     spoken.  I still hear the way we sounded,  the hard cynical jokes, 
     our morbid senses of humor.  We were scared to death of dying, and 
     trying our best not to show it.
     
     I recall the smells,  too.   Like the way cordite hangs on the air 
     after  a fire-fight.   Or the pungent odor of rice paddy mud.   So 
     different  from  the black dirt of Iowa.   The mud of  Nam  smells 
     ancient, somehow.  Like it's always been there.
     
     And I'll never forget the way blood smells, stick and drying on my 
     hands.   I  spent a long night that way once.   That memory  isn't 
     going anywhere.
     
     I  remember how the night jungle appears almost dream like as  the 
     pilot of a Cessna buzzes overhead, dropping parachute flares until 
     morning.   That  artificial sun would flicker and make shadows run 
     through the jungle.   It was worse than not being able to see what 
     was out there sometimes.   I remember once looking at the man next 
     to  me as a flare floated overhead.   The shadows around his  eyes 
     were  so deep that it looked like his eyes were gone.   I  reached 
     over and touched him on the arm;  without looking at me he touched 
     my hand.  "I know man.   I now."   That's what he said.   It was a 
     human moment.   Two guys a long way from home and scared sh*tless. 
     "I know man."  And at that moment he did.
     
     God I loved those guys.   I hurt every time one of them died.   We 
     all  did.   Despite  our posturing.   Despite our desire  to  stay 
     
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     disconnected,  we couldn't hep ourselves.   I know why Tim O'Brien 
     writes  his stories.   I know what gives Bruce Weigle the words to 
     create poems so honest I cry at their horrible beauty.  It's love.  
     Love for those guys we shared the experience with.
     
     We  did our jobs like good soldiers,  and we tried our best not to 
     become  as  hard as our surroundings.   We touched each other  and 
     said, "I know."   Like a mother holding a child in the middle of a 
     nightmare,  "It's  going to be all right."   We tried not to  lose 
     touch with our humanity.   We tried to walk that line.   To be the 
     good boys our parents had raised and not to give into that unnamed 
     thing we knew was inside us all.
     
     You  want to know what frightening is?   It's a nineteen-year-old-
     boy  who's  had a sip of that power over life and death  that  war 
     gives  you.   It's  a boy who,  despite all the things  he's  been 
     taught,  knows  that he likes it.   It's a nineteen-year-old who's 
     just lost a friend, and is angry and scared and,  determined that, 
     "Some *@#*s gonna pay."  To this day,  the thought of that boy can 
     wake me from a sound sleep and leave me staring at the ceiling.
     
     As  I write this,  I have a picture in front of me.   It's of  two 
     young  men.   One  their  laps  are tablets.   One  is  smoking  a 
     cigarette.  Both stare without expression at the camera.   They're 
     writing  letters.   Staying in touch with places they would rather 
     be.  Places and people they hope to see again.
     
     The  picture  shares space in a frame with one of  my  wife.   She 
     doesn't  mind.   She knows she's been included in special company.  
     She  knows I'll always love those guys who shared that part of  my 
     life, a part she never can.   And she understands how I feel about 
     the ones I know are out there yet.   The ones who still answer the 
     question, "When were you in Vietnam?"
     
     "Hey, man.  I was there just last night."
     























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                    Veterans Day at The Wall  11/11/94
                    By Gustav Niebuhr -  New York Times
                          Submitted by Jeff Beer
                      VETLink #50 - Fairfield Bay, AR
                              (501) 884-6277
     
     WASHINGTON -- Americans have long revered places that they link to 
     the shaping of their national identity: the bridge at Concord, the 
     Alamo,  the  hulk of the battleship Arizona at Pearl  Harbor.  Few 
     pieces  of ground are so hallowed as Gettysburg,  where the  Civil 
     War battle and Lincoln's address paired national unity and purpose 
     in a way that is seen as almost mystical.
     
     But  veneration occasionally imparts something more to a  hallowed 
     site: a spiritual dimension that transforms it into something like 
     a sacred shrine,  where pilgrims come and devotions are paid.  For 
     generations,  Gettysburg  was such a place.  The Vietnam  Veterans 
     Memorial,  several  scholars  of  religion  and  culture  say,  is 
     becoming one now.
     
     ''It's an altar,'' said Conrad Cherry,  director of the Center for 
     the  Study of Religion and American Culture at Indiana University-
     Purdue   University  at  Indianapolis.   ''You  approach  it  with 
     reverence  and respect and silence.  The supreme sacrifice is very 
     much there.''
     
     The  memorial's  appearance is starkly dramatic.  A pair of  black 
     polished  granite  walls,  devoid of all but rows of names of  the 
     58,196  American men and women who died in Vietnam,  are set  into 
     the  ground of the Washington Mall so that they are invisible from 
     the rear. The walls meet to form a V,  its arms embracing a broad, 
     sloping  piece  of ground to create a thin boundary that  narrowly 
     separates the living from the dead.
     
     Controversial  for its unconventional design when it was  unveiled 
     in  1982,  the  memorial  for years has drawn more  visitors  than 
     either the Washington Monument or the Lincoln Memorial.
     
     ''People  make  pilgrimages  --  which is what people  do  at  the 
     Vietnam Veterans Memorial --  to be transformed intellectually and 
     spiritually  at  a  place of power,''  said  Edward  Linenthal,  a 
     professor  of  religion and American culture at the University  of 
     Wisconsin,  at  Oshkosh,  who  is the author of  ''Sacred  Ground: 
     Americans and Their Battlefields'' (University of Illinois Press).
     
     Visitors often approach the memorial in a reverential hush.  Some, 
     park  rangers say,  are so overcome with emotion that they stop in 
     their tracks, never to come closer.  Some touch names inscribed in 
     the  walls.  Many  leave  personal  items:  photographs,   stuffed 
     animals, combat boots, or other tokens of a life.
     
     Authorities  on  religion  and  culture  liken  this  to  people's 
     behavior  at sites considered holy in a religious sense:  Lourdes, 
     the Western Wall in Jerusalem, major Buddhist shrines.
     
     ''The  kinds of things people do there,''  Linenthal  said,  ''are 
     acts  of  commemoration --  touching the names,  leaving  flowers, 
     photos, flags. Those are the things people do in sacred places.''
     
     
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     THAT IS NOT what the monument's creators envisioned,  but they are 
     certainly  intrigued by it.  ''Here's essentially what is designed 
     to  be a military memorial commemorating people who took part in a 
     military effort, and it's been transformed into a national shrine, 
     where  all  these  feelings come alive,''  said  Jan  C.  Scruggs, 
     president  of  the  Vietnam Veterans  Memorial  Fund,  the  former 
     infantry  corporal  who  led the campaign for a  memorial  to  the 
     Vietnam dead.
     
     Because today is Veterans Day,  when attendance at the memorial is 
     particularly heavy,  Ron Stufflebean of St.  Joseph,  Mo.,  worked 
     there  as  a Park Service volunteer all this week.  He  said  many 
     people  who stand for a while looking at an individual name  often 
     say they ''can see the reflection of that person in the granite.''
     
     His  wife,  Paula,  said the couple had known men whose names  are 
     listed there.  Last year,  she made a Christmas wreath,  decorated 
     it  with a wedding bouquet and handmade baby booties,  and brought 
     it  to  the memorial.  ''I typed up a letter,''  she  said,  ''and 
     framed it and put it in the wreath. It said,  'For all the men and 
     women, for what they missed in life.' ''
     
     Such   gifts  have  set  the  memorial  apart  from  most  secular 
     monuments, instead inviting comparisons to religious shrines.
     
     ''It's  a way to communicate with people who died,''  said  George 
     Mayo,  a Washington lawyer who is a director of the memorial fund. 
     And, he said, because many visitors also bring along tracing paper 
     to  make impressions of individual names,  ''you take away part of 
     the memorial with you.''
     
     Since  the memorial opened 12 years ago,  visitors have left  more 
     than 30,000 items, said Duery Felton, a Vietnam veteran who serves 
     as curator of these objects for the Park Service,  which collects, 
     catalogs,  and  stores  all  but  the  flowers,   since  they  are 
     perishable.
     
     On  Wednesday afternoon,  objects placed at the memorial  included 
     several  bouquets;  four  copies of a poem,  each addressed  to  a 
     different soldier; a photograph of a young girl; and a small stack 
     of metal bracelets engraved with the names of prisoners of war.
     
     Morris Brevard, a ranger at the memorial who served as a Marine in 
     the invasion of Panama and the Persian Gulf war,  said that he had 
     come across athletic trophies, military medals, a tomahawk,  and a 
     half-empty  wine  bottle with two glasses.  Brevard said that  one 
     woman had once brought small cans of fruit cocktail --  a favorite 
     of her son, whose name is among the thousands --  and that another 
     had brought a birthday cake and lighted a candle.
     
     ''It's  a  place  of  healing,''  he  said.   ''It's  a  place  of 
     remembrance.''
     
     WALKING WITH a visitor the length of the memorial,  Brevard passed 
     its apex, where the list of names rises highest.  ''You notice how 
     quiet it got at the center?'' he said.
     
     Others too have commented on this. The Rev. Philip Salois, who was 
     an  infantryman  in  Vietnam and is now a Roman  Catholic  priest, 
     
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     likened the experience to that of visiting a cemetery. ''Everybody 
     speaks in hushed tones,'' said Salois,  chief of chaplain services 
     at  the Veterans Affairs Medical Center,  in Boston.  ''It's  that 
     aura of mystique, that mysticism.''
     
     Thomas  A.  Tweed,   a  professor  of  religious  studies  at  the 
     University of North Carolina,  observed that ''almost any time you 
     go,  someone  is there grieving.''  That keeps fresh the memory of 
     Vietnam itself, he said. 
     
     ''That's the way a lot of shrines work,'' Tweed said.  ''It's very 
     powerful, very fundamental stuff.''
     














































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                                Family Ties
                              By Gjoseph Peck
                         NamVet's Managing Editor
                          VETLink #1 - Tampa, FL
                              (813) 249-8323
                          NamVet 2-4   2 Apr 1988
     
     Gently, so as not to make too much noise, she approaches the black 
     granite  that  rises,  behemoth-like,  from the grassy  Washington 
     Mall.  She feels better coming alone and at night.
     
     On her left, appearing as if it would speak at any moment,  is the 
     Lincoln Memorial;   light seeming to come from nowhere makes it as 
     though a beacon in the darkness.  To her right, towering high,  is 
     the  Washington Monument.   She can hear the precise steps of  the 
     military honor guard as it performs its vigilant duty at The Wall.  
     A  National  Park Service attendant,  small light shining  on  the 
     Directory of Names, stands somber watch.
     
     "Wilbee Simmons,  Sir?   Could you tell me where I'd find his name 
     listed?"  The Park Attendant directs her to the west panels.
     
     Slowly, fearfully,  yet mustering every bit of her strength,  Teri 
     looks carefully for the name of her husband.
     
     There's something about the way the Washington lights reflect from 
     The  Wall that remind her of the song Wilbee dedicated to her  way 
     back when they were only in their early years of high school.
     
     Building;  preparing;  steeling herself for the moment that HAS to 
     come, she quietly hums to herself their familiar tune:  "Ca-atch a 
     falling star and put it in your pocket,  never let it fade away... 
     Ca-atch a.." -  and then she came upon it.
     
     Hand shaking almost uncontrollably, she reaches over and begins to 
     trace the letters...   W I L .  .  .    Eyes watering,  it starts. 
     Release.  Blessed release.  She hasn't cried like this since she'd 
     received the telegram.   She'd had to be strong for the kids sake.  
     Now she can let the tears - and Wilbee - go.
     
     "Wilbee,  Darling,  you  ARE a part of American history,  a living 
     part.  Here's John's name;  and Gary's;  and Jim's ...  all of the 
     soldiers  you wrote me about.   Each of you followed your  fathers 
     and  family into service -  and America's defense.   Your brothers 
     and  sisters who made it back took upon their shoulders the battle 
     begun  by their grandfathers after World War I helping America  to 
     always,  always  keep her promise to care for those who put  their 
     lives on-the-line for her.  Everyone says that you and all Vietnam 
     veterans are the toughest, most persistent and determined veterans 
     in all American history -  and they're right!   It's guys like you 
     and your friends who gave EVERYTHING,  Wilbee,  and those who made 
     it back, who help continue building the America we have today, and 
     the  responsible care for America's veterans that our grandfathers 
     fought for.
     
     I remember when they used to tell us how the veterans of World War 
     I  were  put  on what we today would call the  welfare  rolls  and 
     looked  down  upon  -  and nearly every benefit  they  sought  was 
     denied.   The  inadequate  War Risk Bureau,  Board  of  Vocational 
     
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     Training  and Public Health Services,  in addition to so much more 
     insensitivity,  denial,  and corruption of the Federal Government, 
     made  them march on Washington.   I know you saw your brothers and 
     sisters do a similar thing when they all came here to sharply prod 
     the  conscience of America and this monument was dedicated.  I can 
     tell you're part of the same family - only you're tougher.
     
     I  brought  the poem you wrote when you went to  'Nam,  Wilbee.  I 
     remember how much it meant to you.   I've saved it all these years 
     -  and  I'll  leave  it  here for you when  I  go.   I've  got  it 
     memorized.  It's Easter now,  a time of new beginnings,  a time to 
     get  on with living my life in a way that would make you proud  of 
     me, a time to take the best that you've given - and go forward.
     
     I'm glad I got the chance to come here - to visit, to remember, to 
     use those "Falling Stars"  you and I put in our pockets years ago; 
     many  rainy days I've used them.   Somehow,  I have a little  more 
     strength now to help me through my life.
     
     Thank you, Wilbee Simmons.   Remember I'll always love you and the 
     sacrifices you made for me and everybody."
     
     Stepping back from the polished granite, Teri softly places a card 
     from  her  and the two children,  a flag,  some flowers,  and  the 
     often-read  12-line poem on the ground in front of Wilbee  Simmons 
     name:
                                 "America"
                This is my country!  So beautiful and Free!
                     A Land of Freedom for you and me!
                  Where men have fought and men have died
                So that we may LIVE and share their pride;
              That this Country of ours, so great and strong,
                 May unite again and sing a together song!
                   Let us be brothers and join together
                 To make our Nation - just a little better
               May we learn to forgive and forget our hates
                   And never close our shining gates ...
                May Liberty's torch light the world around
           And in ALL the nations - may Freedom's echo resound!
     
     Teri  turned,  began to walk away.   A bright flash in the western 
     sky quickly caught her eye.  A falling star - streaking, as though 
     an arrow, over the Lincoln Memorial.
     
     And she remembered the words Lincoln once said:   "To care for him 
     who  shall  have  borne the battle,  and for his  widow,  and  his 
     children."
     
     "Maybe  tomorrow I'll ask the Veterans Administration if they  can 
     help.  After all, my husband did give his life -  and our children 
     did  give their father -  so that we could all continue to live in 
     freedom.  Why didn't I think of that before?"
     
     Humming  to  herself  another  one of  their  old-time  favorites, 
     "That's  the story of,  that's the glory of...  Love",  Teri moves 
     along the walkway towards the Washington city lights...
     


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               Millions of Veterans are Counting on Congress
     
     
     To make certain veterans' health-care is a partner in health-care 
     reform.
     
     The personal price of war is high.  It can last a lifetime.  In 
     fact, many who served our country in time of need, now are in need 
     themselves.  For millions of veterans VA is a vital, irreplaceable 
     health-care resource.
     
     As you debate national health-care reform:
     
          *    Veterans who choose VA must be assured - just like all 
               other Americans - they will receive a guaranteed, 
               comprehensive benefits package.  Congress must reform 
               VA's spotty and inefficient eligibility system.
     
          *    Veterans must know VA funding always will be there to 
               provide the services they need.
     
          *    Veterans must be assured VA will receive resources 
               necessary to correct years of inadequate funding and 
               revamp its service delivery system.
     
          *    Veterans must be confident that VA will maintain its 
               unique specialized missions in rehabilitation, 
               prosthetics, spinal cord injury, blindness, aging, 
               mental health and long-term care.
     
          *    Veterans must know the VA health-care system will 
               continue to be a major national asset in medical 
               education and research, and a vital back-up to 
               Department of Defense medicine in time of national 
               emergency.
     
     
                            The American Legion 
     
           AMVETS (American Veterans of WWII, Korea and Vietnam) 
     
                       Blinded Veterans Association 
     
                        Disabled American Veterans 
     
                      Jewish War Veterans of the USA 
     
          Military Order of the Purple Heart of the U.S.A., Inc. 
     
             Non Commissioned Officers Association of the USA 
     
                       Paralyzed Veterans of America 
     
               Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States 
     
                     Vietnam Veterans of America, Inc.
     


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                              Let my people go!
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                    MIA/POWs.  Does anyone REALLY care?
                               By Paul Bylin
                      NamVet's MIA/POW Section Editor
                         VETLink #84 - Peabody, MA
                              (508) 977-9756
     
     As I write this article, I am sitting in my office enjoying a cool 
     breeze on one of the hottest summer days to hit this area in many 
     years.
          
     The cool breeze reminds me of some of the quiet nights in Vietnam.  
     I can still remember being in a bunker, watching the sun go down, 
     and enjoying the breeze.  One of the few pleasures.
          
     I can also remember, on those same nights, when the sun was down 
     and the moon was high.  The clearness of the sky.  How bright the 
     stars seemed to be.  When I looked at the stars, I would wonder if 
     my family or friends were looking at that same star as I was.  It 
     kind of made me feel a little closer to home, where I wanted to 
     be.  At 18 years old, I didn't know much, but I did know that I 
     did not want to be there.  Although I was there, with some guys 
     that I will never forget.  My brothers.
          
     But, I survived my time in Vietnam, like many others.  Only to 
     come home to another kind of war.  A war in which, I felt I was 
     the enemy.  People making accusations, and some refusing jobs to 
     us.  I couldn't understand why, and I still don't.  So whenever I 
     was asked about my military service on a job application, I would 
     put down my service.  With one exception.  I would never say I 
     served in Vietnam.  Ashamed?  Maybe.
          
     Many years had come and gone.  I had changed jobs more times than 
     I can remember.  Then one day, I settled down with a job as an 
     aircraft re-fuel mechanic.  Been at that job for about 18 years. 
        
     During the summer of 1991, I found myself staring at a pretty 
     dingy looking photograph of three flyers that were, supposedly, 
     still alive in Vietnam.  As I read the story, what the families 
     had been going through since the end of the war.....I felt some of 
     the feelings I had when I was there.  Jesus, I have to do 
     something....but what?
          
     The thoughts, the smell, the "feel" of Vietnam had never left me. 
     Not for a day.  I seldom talked about any of this with anyone. No 
     one cared then.  They sure as hell don't give a damn now.  So why 
     even try.
          
     Many thoughts started racing through my mind as I stared at that 
     photograph.  What the hell is going on?  Why haven't we brought 
     these guys home??  What is being done??
          
     For a few days, I guess you could say I had "gone away" in my 
     mind.  Thinking, wondering about this...what can I do??  Can I do 
     ANYTHING??
          
     
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     My brother-in-law and I had not spoken in probably 15 years or so.  
     My wife was talking to her sister one day and was telling her 
     about what was happening to me.  A few nights later, my brother-
     in-law was at my door wanting to talk to me about what was going 
     on.  I guess you could say he pointed me in the right direction.  
     We became a "team" when it came to the POW/MIA issue.
        
     Petitions, local TV shows, hundreds upon hundreds of letters 
     written.  None of this was having an affect on anyone.  Meetings 
     with two Congressmen, demanding, pleading, talking with reporters, 
     calling radio talk shows.  NO ONE really CARES.  Not even the 
     President.  He did lift the trade embargo against Vietnam.  He did 
     this with the advice of a couple of Vietnam veterans who felt they 
     knew what was best for the families of the missing.  After all, 
     what do the families know?  They don't have a seat in the Senate.
          
     One of those Vietnam veterans, is Senator John Kerry from 
     Massachusetts.  He advised President Clinton to lift the trade 
     embargo because of the "cooperation" the Vietnamese were giving 
     us.
          
     I wonder if the "good" Senator did that because he felt in his 
     heart that the Vietnamese REALLY were cooperating to their best 
     capability?  Or,  could it be that the "good" Senator has family 
     that is in Vietnam, handling many of the industrial real estate 
     deals, now that he got the trade embargo lifted?
        
     Sitting here in my office, enjoying the cool breeze.  Wondering, 
     still, what can I do?  Does ANYONE care??  Looking outside the 
     window, I see the moon is high in the sky.  As I look at the first 
     star I see, I wonder?  Are any still alive?  If so, are they 
     looking at the same star as I am?  What can I do?
          
                                Paul Bylin
                          MIA/POW Section Editor
     























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          DOES ONE PERSON'S EFFORT REALLY COUNT to a POW or MIA?
                          By Jose Proenza Sanfiel
                          VETLink #1 - Tampa, FL
                              (813) 249-8323
     
       The  above  question  has  been asked by many and  it  has  been 
     answered by very few the reason it seem's to be that every one has 
     doubts  to their abilities and some few do decide to act therefore 
     making a difference.
       Friends I'm trying to ensure that the Quote:  POW's &  MIA's you 
     are not forgotten!! Does not become a meaningless  cliche.
       Friends I'm trying to ensure that the POW's & MIA's message gets 
     carried to the doorstep of all Americans and to the hands of every 
     foreigner that holds a map of the USA.
       My plan is simple and sure. To rename Interstates throughout the 
     nation  that will bear the name.  POW's &  MIA's Interstate's  one 
     from  the South Eastern most corner of the US to the North Western 
     Corner  of the US.  The other From the South Western most part  of 
     the  US to the North Eastern corner of the US.  These  Interstates 
     would  crisscross at the Imaginary Heart of America  (St Louis Mo) 
     and  in this manner we could remind ourselves and the Folks abroad 
     that we Really do not forget our Heroes's.
       I NEED HELP FROM EACH AND EVERY ONE THAT HAS EVER ASKED.
     
                       WILL MY EFFORT REALLY COUNT?
       Well  friend  I  asked myself the question and  answered  it  by 
     taking  action.  Such  action led to my Home address  (St)  to  be 
     renamed  POW's &  MIA's MEMORIAL DR....  THE SAME EFFORT LED ME TO 
     HAVE  THE  FLORIDA  LEGISLATURE  NAME US-1 FROM KEY  WEST  TO  THE 
     GEORGIA BORDER ALSO... POW's & MIA's MEMORIAL HWY.
       My  efforts also have on the Senate of the US a legislative bill  
     (S-900) that will make this dream of mine a reality.
       BUT AND ONLY IF.... .... I could reach a few dedicated Americans 
     that  are  willing  to take a few minutes and request  that  their 
     Senator's  and Congressperson Unite themselves with Senator Connie 
     Mack(r)  From Fla.  to co-sponsor Senate Bill 900.  This dedicated 
     American's  must  be willing to write not only one letter  but  to 
     continue  bugging their Legislator until he/she does become a  Co-
     sponsor of the bill.
       I  need  the  Help of my fellow Americans out there to  do  this 
     because  I have done everything possible that could be done so  it 
     is really up to others.  AND THAT IS YOU !!!!!
     
     WHAT  DAMN  GOOD IS NAMING A FEW INTERSTATES GOING TO DO TO  BRING 
     THE BOY'S HOME???
       Then  think  about this....   EVEN JESUS CHRIST HAD A  MESSENGER 
     THAT PREPARED THE ROAD FOR HIS ARRIVAL.   (is in the bible look it 
     up if you wish ).
     
       Friends I appreciate all the suggestions (please don't stop) but 
     I really have gone the whole route...  regardless of how you think 
     I should do this or whom should I write it will all be for nothing 
     if  you  do not take it upon yourself to write to Washington  D.C. 
     until  they  Co-Sponsor  the Bill and if you do not take  it  upon 
     yourself to tell others in your home State.
     
     I NEED YOUR HELP. I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR YOUR MONEY.  I HAVE NEVER 
     ASKED YOU TO JOIN THE INTERSTATE GROUP OR ANY OTHER GROUP.
     
     
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     ALL  THAT I ASK IS WRITE AND TELL OTHER'S ABOUT THE POW's &  MIA's 
     PROJECT INTERSTATE AND ITS NEED. 
     
     TO  DATE THERE ARE ONLY THREE SENATORS CO-SPONSORING THIS BILL  SO 
     UNLESS YOU ACT NOTHING WILL BE DONE.
     
     WILL YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE.... ONLY YOU CAN TELL....
     
     For More information send LEGAL SIZED S.A.S.E TO:
                     POW's & MIA's PROJECT INTERSTATE
                      4230 POW's & MIA's MEMORIAL DR
                        ST CLOUD FLA USA 34772-8142
               407-892-9006 VOICE  / 407-957-MIAS Fax & data
     
     SASE  Means Self addressed Self Stamped Envelope if you don't send 
     one you will get an answer when ever I can spring a few beans from 
     my family's budget (since I don't ask for donations under guise of 
     POW's & MIA's sake).
     
     You  send a SASE well it gets send out in spurts but much  quicker 
     than if you did not.
     
     God  Bless America.  God bless America Again and may God Bless our 
     POW's & MIA's. 
     
                                Semper Fi. 
                                 Cpl Pro.
     































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                     How will the Vietnam War end?
                               By Paul Bylin
                      NamVet's MIA/POW Section Editor
                         VETLink #84 - Peabody, MA
                               (508) 977-9756
     
     There  have  been  committee's that have investigated  the  POW/MIA 
     issue,  and  all have come to the same conclusion..."Men were  left 
     behind,  but  we have no evidence that shows any survived."  If men 
     were left behind, do we have evidence they are NOT alive?
     
     This country has evidence that many were alive after the end of the 
     war.   As  a  matter  of fact,  the United  States  Government  has 
     evidence  that  men were still alive in the late 1980's  and  early 
     1990's.  The evidence they have are satellite photographs of `Pilot 
     Authenticator Codes'.  Each pilot was assigned their own individual 
     Authenticator  Code.   The purpose was for the identification of  a 
     pilot,  if  they were shot down.   The pilot had been instructed to 
     make  this code visible.   They were to do it in such a manner that 
     it could be seen from the air, but yet, not be seen by the enemy.
     
     Many  of  these locator codes had been photographed  by  government 
     satellites.   These locator codes were correlated to the pilot that 
     was  shot down.   Some locator codes were photographed not once but 
     twice,  and  not  in the same area.   The reason could be that  the 
     prisoner had been moved.  Normal procedure for the Vietnamese.  All 
     these   photographs   of  locator  codes  were  dismissed  by   the 
     government.  They said they were either shadows,  plant growth,  or 
     the  best one anomalies,  which Websters describes as 1.  departure 
     from  the  regular  arrangement.   (Although  the  government  says 
     anomalies is "something that is not there.") Many experts that have 
     examined  the images found in the satellite photography agree  that 
     they are real, not just shadows or vegetation growth.
     
     One authenticator code, the USA K code, that was found stamped into 
     a rice paddy in Laos,  had been ignored for more that a year before 
     any type of investigation had been implemented.
     
     One  of Senator Kerry's trips to Southeast Asia was to  investigate 
     this issue.  He visited a prison camp, and while there,  he found a 
     message  written in English on a wall in one of the cells.   It was 
     dated April 23, 1988,  and read,  "We do live under the darkness of 
     Socialist hands now - We don't have a chance".  This was not widely 
     publicized and was not brought up at the senators' news conference.
     
     So  much of this evidence,  however small it may seem,  is  exactly 
     what it appears to be...evidence.  Even the Senate Select Committee 
     on  POW MIA Affairs,  with all the controversy that had  surrounded 
     it,  came to the conclusion that men WERE left behind after the war 
     ended.   The  committee did also say they had no evidence that  any 
     particular American is still alive.
     
     And so the committee ended.
     
     Senator  Kerry and Senator John McCain (another former panel member 
     of  the Senate Select Committee on POW MIA Affairs)  fought hard to 
     get an amendment passed by congress so President Clinton could lift 
     the economic trade embargo against Vietnam.
     
     
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     On  February  2,   1994  President  Clinton  was  holding  a  press 
     conference  at  the White House.   A reporter asked him if  he  was 
     going  to  lift  the  19-year old economic  trade  embargo  against 
     Vietnam.   The presidents response was,  "I do not know,  I haven't 
     even  read  the  Kerry -  McCain Amendment  yet."   The  very  next 
     morning,  President  Bill Clinton lifted the trade embargo  against 
     Vietnam.    The   president  said  he  believed  that  Vietnam  was 
     cooperating as much as possible.
     
     If  the  Vietnamese are cooperating as much as the  president,  and 
     Senator John Kerry claim,  then why won't the Vietnamese government 
     tell  us what happened to the men that we KNOW were  captured,  but 
     never returned?
     
     The   Vietnamese  have  turned  over,   literally,   thousands   of 
     photographs  of  American  servicemen.   Some  of  these  men  were 
     photographed after they were killed.  But, still, their bodies were 
     laid out,  pockets emptied,  and all their personal belongings were 
     photographed.  This was for the Vietnamese records.  They wanted to 
     be  able to account for these people some day.   What other  reason 
     would there be for this type of records?  They wanted to be able to 
     prove some of the Americans they captured had died.
     
     But  what about the Americans that they held in captivity after the 
     war?  What type of records did they keep on them?
     
     I  am sure they are NO LESS than the records they kept on the  ones 
     that died.
     
     Is  the  United  States government asking for  these  records?   If 
     not...then why the hell not??
     
     If  they  are asking about these records,  what are the  Vietnamese 
     telling them?  Surely, if they are saying they don't have any, they 
     must  be lying.   One would have to assume that because  throughout 
     the years, Vietnam insisted they had `no records' of any Americans.  
     But,  they have their museums full of photographs of American POWs, 
     their weapons, parts of aircraft, uniforms,  rings,  watches,  etc, 
     etc.  The list goes on and on.
     
     While  in Vietnam investigating the POW issue,  former  congressman 
     Billy Hendon stumbled on a hidden prison.   A prison that,  back in 
     the  1980's  had supposedly held American  prisoners.   Mr.  Hendon 
     asked  to  visit  and  inspect  that  prison.   Not  only  did  the 
     Vietnamese  deny his request,  they also said his visa had expired, 
     and  told him he would have to leave the country.   The  Vietnamese 
     not only said he (Billy Hendon) could not go inside the prison, but 
     also said they would NOT allow the U.S. governments MIA team inside 
     the facility.
     
     But we continue to help the Vietnamese government.  Why?   Where is 
     the cooperation so many U.S. politicians speak of? 
     
     We  cannot let this POW/MIA issue end in this manner.   If there is 
     even  a  remote  possibility that Vietnam is  holding,  or  knowing 
     where, a live American is being held, we should share no expense in 
     bringing them home.
     
     Ones  that  were  known  to have been  captured  alive,  but  never 
     
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     returned, the Vietnamese government knows where their remains are.
     
     To simply put it, If Vietnam has, or knows where any live Americans 
     are being held.  Give them back.  If all are no longer alive,  then 
     give  us their remains or a reasonable explanation why they  cannot 
     return  their  remains.   Once that is done,  then Vietnam and  the 
     United States can do business in whatever manner they wish, without 
     any noise from the families and the veteran community.
     
                                 Paul Bylin
                           MIA/POW Section Editor
     















































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                     U.S. GOVERNMENT COVER-UP EXPOSED
                               By Paul Bylin
                      NamVet's MIA/POW Section Editor
                         VETLink #84 - Peabody, MA
                              (508) 977-9756
     
     Talking  with  Joyce Flory (VETLink 13),  she asked me  about  the 
     Chicago chapter of VietNow selling a video about the POW issue. It 
     asked  that  the  ad  for this video  be  made  available  through 
     Newsletters, display racks, or sales tables in offices, etc.
       While I normally do not do any advertising in this Newsletter, I 
     felt  I should at least ask what this VietNow group was all about. 
     I  faxed a letter to them asking what they were doing with regards 
     to the POW issue, other than selling the video.  My response was a 
     phone  call  from Billy Hendon.   He told me that this  video  was 
     important  in a couple of ways.   First,  it would convince anyone 
     that seen it that,  1)  the Vietnamese government held hundreds of 
     U.S.  POWs  in  prison  long after  the  war;  and,  2)  the  U.S. 
     government  knew about it and covered it up.   Plus it would  help 
     him in his constant investigations and search's in Vietnam.
       If,  after you view this video,  your are not convinced that the 
     above statements (1 and 2) are true,  then simply return the video 
     and your money will be refunded, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
       The video "U.S. Government Cover-Up Exposed",  is proof that the 
     Vietnamese held hundreds of U.S. POWs.   Many reported still alive 
     in the late 1980's.
       Citing previously secret U.S. intelligence documents, this video 
     settles the question once and for all.   See the shocking evidence 
     in  a  2-hour  videotaped  intelligence briefing  by  former  U.S. 
     Congressman Bill Hendon (R-NC) Mr. Hendon was a member of the U.S. 
     House POW/MIA Task Force, a Pentagon consultant on POW/MIA affairs 
     and  an  intelligence investigator assigned to the  Senate  Select 
     Committee  on  POW/MIA Affairs.   Americas leading expert  on  the 
     Vietnamese  prison system,  he has appeared on 60  Minutes,  Larry 
     King Live, 20/20, Today, Good Morning America,  Donahue,  Dateline 
     NBC, Unsolved Mysteries and on international television throughout 
     the world.
     
         CALL TOLL FREE TO ORDER YOUR VIDEO TODAY BY CREDIT CARD:
                            1-800-POW-MIAS
                            Mail Orders:
                            POW Publicity Fund
                            PO Box 65500
                            Washington DC 20035
     
          The cost is $19.95 plus $4.00 Shipping & Handling.
     
     SEE  THIS EXPLOSIVE INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON'S 
     ADVISORS "REFUSED TO SEE" AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON SATURDAY, JANUARY
     15, 1994.
     
     The declassified U.S. Government intelligence in this briefing was 
     acquired  from the department of defense,  the CIA,  The  National 
     Archives and the Library of Congress in Washington, DC.
     
                                Paul Bylin
                                  Editor
                     (I have already ordered my copy!)
     
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     VIETNAM CASUALTY INSCRIBED ON WALL 25 YEARS AFTER INJURY
                          The Salem Evening News
                        Saturday, October 29, 1994
                          Submitted by Paul Bylin
                         VETLink #84 - Peabody, MA
                              (508) 977-9756
     
     Eerie, Pa. (AP)  -  Lee R.  Schaaf lived for more than two decades 
     carrying  a  piece  of  the Vietnam War in  his  heart,  a  bullet 
     eventually responsible for his death in 1990.
     
     His widow, Mary Glass Schaaf, wanted his name added to the Vietnam 
     Veterans Memorial in Washington,  D.C.   But it took her two years 
     to  convince  federal  officials that her husbands death  was  the 
     result of his war wounds.
     
     Next  Month -  25 years after the enemy bullet lodged in his heart 
     during a jungle firefight - Schaaf's name will be added.
     
     "He  would be very upset with me,"  Mrs. Schaaf said.   "He  never 
     wanted any recognition, and never, ever asked for any sympathy."
     
     The  former  infantryman's wife,  the couple's three children  and 
     about  30 other family members will visit Washington on Nov 11 for 
     a  Veterans  Day  ceremony that will mark the  additions  of  five 
     names.  The actual etching of Schaaf's name is expected to be done 
     Wednesday.
     
     Schaaf was wounded Sept.  5,  1969,  as he walked at the head of a 
     patrol  in  the jungle near Xuan Loc,  north of Ho Chi Minh  City, 
     which then was called Saigon, Mrs. Schaaf said.
     
     He  received the Purple Heart and Army Commendation Medal.   After 
     he returned home, he learned to walk with crutches and married his 
     high  school  sweetheart.   He  led  an active  life  but  endured 
     repeated  hospital  stays until his death at age 42 of a  swollen, 
     infected heart and fluid in the lungs.
     
     Since  the  memorial was dedicated in 1982,  257 names  have  been 
     added  from  thousands of applications,  said Libby Hatch  of  the 
     Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund,  which helps to maintain the wall. 
     The total stands at 58,196.
     
















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                              The NamVet Chapel
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                           Proper Perspective!!
     
                           By: Rev. Oscar Wilkie
                           DAV National Chaplain
                    In: DAV Magazine - Vol 32, Issue 5
     
                         Input by: G. Joseph Peck
                         NamVet's Managing Editor
                          VETLink #1 - Tampa, FL
                              (813) 249-8323
     
       Although  I  have  been  talking much in  recent  columns  about 
     "success," most people will admit that "failure"  is a more common 
     experience.
       As  I thought it over,  it stimulated my thinking in this  whole 
     area  of "failure"  and how we deal with it.   It seems to me that 
     the  hope for success and the fear of failure are perhaps the  two 
     greatest burdens that most of us have to carry.
       Ours is a "win-lose" culture:  the ethos of our society invites, 
     motivates, and encourages us to be winners in life.  We live in an 
     age of executive game players,  super stars,  Nobel Prize winners, 
     bionic celebrities, and successful entrepreneurs who have captured 
     our imagination and attention.
       We all seem to feel the pressure to win at something,  sometime, 
     somewhere.   In  such  a culture,  there seems to be no  room  for 
     anyone  who  fails...  whether in sports, at the  office,  in  the
     classroom,  or at home.   We all sense this pressure to win at all 
     costs.   I  can  relate  to it in my own drive to be  a  "winner," 
     whether  on the golf course,  in my profession,  or as your  (DAV) 
     National Chaplain.
       Losing is depressing for most of us, but life does not afford us 
     the  luxury of choosing whether or not we are going to  play.   We 
     know what it is to fail, and what we need is a way to redeem those 
     failures.  We need to discover whatever there is to learn from our 
     losses.  There are a couple of things I would share with you.
       First, we need to learn that failure is a part of life.   No one 
     succeeds at every contest.  We need to discover that it is alright 
     to fail.  If the cause is important,  and if our efforts represent 
     our best, then we can find honor in having tried.   It seems to me 
     that  the ultimate tragedy in life is not failure.   The  ultimate 
     tragedy is to be unwilling to take risks when significant purposes 
     present themselves!
       I  think if someone is keeping score and "grading"  us on  life, 
     during   the  times  we  don't  quite  make  it  He  gives  us  an 
     "incomplete"  rather  than a "failure."   This means even when  we 
     fail on occasion, we are not "failures," just "incomplete"  in the 
     process of "becoming."  
       "Incomplete" means there is still room to grow.   Often we learn 
     more  from  our defeats than from our victories.   If we have  the 
     right attitude, "win, lose, or draw"  in our individual endeavors, 
     we can be moving forward!
     



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                            Prepared ... but not
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                           OH, How Far It's Come
                              by Joyce Flory
              NamVet's Incarcerated Veterans' Section Editor
           Desert Dolphin/VETLink #13 - Las Cruces, New Mexico
                (505) 523-2811 (Pre-Registration Required)
     
     Back about September of 1989 a message thread was running in IVVEC 
     about  incarcerated Vietnam veterans.   I was curious as to how  a 
     person went about finding a veteran to write to,  maybe brighten a 
     day  or  two,  or maybe send copies of the NAMVET  newsletter.   I 
     asked Gjoe how to go about this and was told, "Gee, Joyce, I don't 
     know.   Why  don't you look into it and let us know what you  find 
     out." 
     
     Little  did I know what I was about to get myself into (grin).   I 
     collected  the names and addresses of any and all organizations  I 
     thought could help.   I put together a form letter and  sent out a 
     dozen  or so of them.   I got discouraged when the envelopes began 
     returning;  "No  Such Person",  "No Such Address",  or "Moved,  No 
     Forwarding  Address".   Almost as bad were the letters telling  me 
     that though they'd like to help, they didn't have any information.  
     I  think  the worst were the letters that told me the privacy  act 
     would  not  allow  them  to  release names  or  addresses  of  the 
     incarcerated. 
     
     I  kept  sending letters and waiting  for  replies.   Finally,  in 
     November,  a  letter  arrived from the a national organization  in 
     Washington  D.C.   I thought it was going to be another rejection, 
     but NO, a name,  an address,  a START!   They told me this address 
     "fell  through the cracks"  and though I "didn't get it from them" 
     maybe it would help get me started. 
     
     Did  it ever!!!  I wrote to Mr.  Whitmarsh Bailey in Buena  Vista, 
     Colorado, explaining what I was trying to accomplish. In his  kind 
     response,  he gave me three more names.  Those three gentleman put 
     me  in  touch with other inmates in other prisons and the  program 
     grew.   Not quickly,  but by dribbles.   The pen-pal list expanded 
     with each new letter that crossed my mailbox.  Soon,  someone sent 
     me a "phone-book"  for the National Incarcerated Veterans Network.  
     My  form  letters  started flying across the  nation,  four  dozen 
     letters in the first mailing.  Soon, the replies were making their 
     way back to me.   So many incarcerated Vietnam veterans wanting to 
     be on my list!! 
     
     Many were just looking for someone to write to, some saying they'd 
     only  write  to  single  females,  others  looking  for  long-lost 
     buddies. Each so different, but so much the same.   Today the list 
     has  grown to over three hundred incarcerated vets in  thirty-five 
     prisons spanning eighteen states.  Two prisons in Alabama,  one in 
     Arkansas, three in Colorado, one in Connecticut,  four in Georgia, 
     two  in Indiana,  one in Kansas,  four in Massachusetts,  three in 
     Michigan, one in Missouri, two in New York,  three in Nevada,  one 
     in Ohio, one in Pennsylvania,  one in Tennessee,  two in Virginia, 
     two  in Washington,  and one in Wisconsin.   Just when I think  my 
     "reach"  has  stopped,  another inmate from another prison drops a 
     
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     note to me. 
     
     I've  learned  a  lot about these gentlemen.   The  majority  give  
     unselfishly  of  themselves and their time.   Some men fill  their 
     hours  building doll houses and wooden toys to donate to Toys  For 
     Tots  or  to  be raffled off for local hospital  funds  for  dying 
     children.   Others  put together fund raisers to collect monies to 
     buy  food  or wood for the less fortunate,  year round,  not  just 
     during  the Holidays.   Still others sponsor the Special  Olympics 
     teams  in  their area.   I've been told of scholarship funding  to 
     local colleges, clothing drives,  and many "Scared Straight"  type 
     programs they volunteer to take part in. 
     
     While  involved in these programs,  many have chosen to go back to 
     school.   A  few are finishing high school,  some are taking  what 
     college  courses are available to them,  a couple are lucky enough 
     to be able to carry a full course load in the field they'd like to 
     pursue after their release.   They learn or teach trades;  cabinet 
     making, woodworking,  upholstering,  and some construction work to 
     enable themselves to make a living on the "outside". 
     
     They  are  concerned with most of the same things you and  I  are.  
     The shrinking economy, politics, changes in world order.  They put 
     together  newsletters about VA updates,  the MIA/POW issue,  PTSD, 
     Agent Orange,  relate stories,  and write poems,  much the same as 
     our NAMVET but with a much smaller readership.    
     
     I  have,  also,  learned that they prefer to being called "Vietnam 
     veterans,  incarcerated".   They tell me they were Nam vets first, 
     incarcerated second.   When not using that "title",  they refer to 
     themselves  as the "Forgotten Warriors",  stating that once behind 
     bars,  no  one cares about them.   Not their families,  not  their 
     friends, not other Vietnam veterans,  not their government.   They 
     can't  get  adequate health care,  they are denied the  counseling 
     they need for PTSD,  their VA benefits are nowhere near what other 
     veterans get, if they can get them at all.  And this just seems to 
     be the tip of the iceberg.        
     
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